Basecamp Project Management Sux

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Why Basecamp from 37 Signals Sux

What is Basecamp?

It's a web-based project management service.

Does Basecamp REALLY SUCK?

Yes, and this website documents why.

Who are 37 Signals?

The company that developed Basecamp and offers it as a web-based service. 37 Signals is run by Jason Fried who blogs frequent at Signal vs. Noise.

Top 10 Reasons Why Basecamp Sux

Here are my (current) Top 10 Reasons in increasing order of importance, although wait a few days and I'm sure I'll find more:

  1. 37 Signals seems to be more interested in offering lots of fancy color schemes than in meeting its customer's needs
  2. 37 Signals rolls out changes without any external customer feedback and without notifying anyone. And if you don't like them, you don't get configurability, you just get told your voice doesn't count because 37 Signals likes them, thank you very much.
  3. Jason Fried has his own ideas about what to do with BaseCamp, customers needs be damned.
  4. No GANTT Charts: No visual respresentations whatsoever. No not ever.
  5. Jason Fried's favorite response to practically every feature request is "No. sorry. (end of discussion)"
  6. Many of the Basecamp users on the forums treat Basecamp as their cult and Jason Fried as their leader. Don't make a suggestion that Jason doesn't like or you'll be heckled by all of Jason's disciples.
  7. The tiny team at 37 Signals keeps launching other services: Backpack, Tada List, Writeboard, and three more before the end of 2005 instead of focusing on meeting BaseCamp customer needs.
  8. Roapmap? What roadmap?
  9. 10Mb File Attachment Limit.
  10. You can't split or merge projects, so be extra careful that you don't make a mistake in how you organize your Basecamp projects...
  11. Three words. NO PROJECT TEMPLATES!!! Enter everything manually.
  12. And the worst one is, they hold your data hostage! You can't even export it, contrary to their FAQ "Can I get my data out if I want to discontinue using Basecamp?" that implies you can. BEWARE: Once you get in, you can't get out!!!

Sorry, I just couldn't seem to manage to limit to only 10. :-(

What other Basecamp Users are Saying...

Great Examples of 37 Signals Prioritizing Themselves Over Customers

Jason Fried's Favorite Phrase

Evidently Jason Fried's favorite phrase is:

No. sorry. (end of discussion).

Here are numerous examples of Jason ignoring legitimate customer needs:

37 Signals Ridicules Customer Requests Online!

See 37 Signal's blog post about people who email them and request features that are important for their use of Basecamp:

What's worse is that many people commented condemned them for riduculing their customers in public, but instead of realizing their screwed up and apologizing they defend their actions by trying to manipulating words, much akin to Bill Clinton's manupulating the definition of "is!" 37 Signals even condescends the people who tell them in a respectful manner that what they did was in poor taste and showed bad judgement! This is almost as bad as watching Dick Cheney deny there was anything wrong with Haliburton's no-bid contracts!

These guys need to be kicked to the curb, but hard.

What the Blogosphere has to say about 37 Signals

  1. From Central Desktop Blog: May God Curse Our Company the Day We Mock Our Customers
  2. From SLEEPYHEAD: Useless, absurd, must, need, appalled, just, infuriating, essential, etc.
  3. From Social Memory Complex: Web Dev Taboos, Part 1 of 1: Don’t Insult Your Users
  4. From The Marketing Technology Blog: I Canceled My Basecamp Account Today
  5. From Web Worker Daily: Alternatives to Basecamp for Project Management
  6. From The Social Customer Manifesto: Signal vs. Noise vs. Customers
  7. From mattwalters.net: Good Customer Service … Where did it go?
  8. From Zoli's Blog: 37Signals Lost the Signal (for a Moment)
  9. From My · (Head) · Space: Big Egos at 37signals.com
  10. From Mike-O-Matic: Simplicity, Apple, and 37Signals
  11. From Needmore Notes: A Little Respect, Please
  12. From All this ChittahChattah: appalled, indeed

Based on all this chittah-chattah, I guess I'm not the only one who has issues with 37 Signals, eh?

Anyway, I was looking at the logs I noticed referrals from the blog Logic + Emotion. Evidently David Armano found this website and then wrote Does Basecamp Sux? Interestingly, Jason Fried posted a huge rambling response in the comments section repeating his tired old line about how "Saying 'no' is doing customers a favor." No, I'll decide if you are doing me a favor Jason, not you.

The real problem though is that Jason just doesn't get it! It's not that he told me 'no'; it's how he told me 'no.' It's that he told me with an arrogance and condescenscion that I have never experienced before or since from a company official. His response implied that I was just an idiot who didn't know any better and that he was far more aware of what I really needed. Frankly, I've got enough self-esteem that that kind of response doesn't put me into the "I'm not worthy" hero-worship mode that his cult-of-personality followers exude. Instead, it just got really pissed me off; hence this site.

So if you are reading this Jason, please get a clue! It's not that you set priorities for your company that may not align with mine, it's that you have the worst attitude I've ever experienced when communicating those priorities. Maybe you can be introspective about that, but I won't hold my breath. I'm sure you'll find a way to blame me instead.

Alternatives to Basecamp

The following is a list, in alphabetical order, of both hosted services and open-source software for project management; I have not used any of these. I learned of them when people emailed me about them. Caveat emptor, but I can't imagine any of these being worse than dealing with BaseCamp and the attitudes of 37 Signals!

Why Did I Build this Site?

I am a frustrated Basecamp user and 37 Signals customer. After months of using it, I finally became so fed up I couldn't take it anymore.

(I'm now a former 37 Signals customer and no longer a Basecamp user. Just to be accurate...)

Want to Add Your Voice?

Email me at: editor[at]whybasecampsux[dot]org

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